RECORD PLAYERS : Although is a bit offtopic, decade-wise, my father once told me of a friend ofhis who had one of theearliest automotive sound systems installed in a 1955 Pontiac. It played 45 RPMdiscs, used amechanism similar to a jukebox, and was specifically built for automotive use.According to my pop, this guy could drive over a railroad track and the player wouldnever skip. If anybody else has any information on this thing (manufacturer, etc), oractually has one sitting around, please get in touch.From: ()Subject: Re: Car record players (was Re: Where did all the Music go after its hit status) Newsgroups: Date: 1998/08/26 I recall that in 1964, my next-door neighbor, a guy about 20, had a carrecord player in his car, which I believe was a Pontiac GTO. It playedonly 45s, and it was mounted under his dash, apparently with a heavilyshocked mechanism intended to shield the player as much as possible fromroad vibration. It had a slot into which the records were inserted. Ipresume that sheer tone arm weight was used to keep the stylus in place;presumably, records used in such car players didn't last long. "Vibrasonic" units were popular at about the same time. These weredevices, usually installed in the car trunk, that added reverb bymechanical means, using a spring. When you drove over a bump with aVibrasonic turned up, you'd hear a "Thwack broinnnnnnggggg" through yourspeakers. I also remember some friend of mine adding a tinny rear speakerand a front-rear fader control to the car radio in his '56 Ford, to givehis AM radio a "fuller" sound. Car record players disappeared after the introduction of 4-trackplayers, around 1964, I think. Eight-track cartridges were introduced acouple of years after that. I bought my first under-dash cassette playerin 1970. RECORD PLAYERS : As I sit here reading this thread, I can see a poster I got from Grand RoyalMagazine (Grand Royal Records) that shows about 100 record players from alldecades. There is one car record player shown, attributed to the '50's andlabeled Chrysler Corporation, "Highway Hi-Fi". It looks like the unit has afold down front panel, and a platter that slides in and out for placing thedisc into the player. I presume it was powered like any other car audio device.A friend of mine had a different unit in his car in the sixties, it ws an aftermarket add on, and did NOT work very well at all! He installed it one week, andpulled it out a week later to install one of those newfangled Lear 4-tracks."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are alwaysso certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubts."Chrysler did indeed offer a car record player, I think in the early60's, maybe the late 50's (maybe should cross-post to a classic-carsnewsgroup). I seem to recall though that it played special recordsdesigned for it, not ordinary LPs or 45s. The selection was scant, andit had a tendency to skip when you hit a bump in the road (Note toChrysler engineers: "duh!"). These problems lead to its quick demise,as did Ford's introduction of car 8-track tape players, which, crappy asthey were, at least didn't skip every time you hit a pothole. RECORD PLAYERS : I also remember (ahem . . . nah couldn't happen at my age) anautomobile record player ( I believe it was by Motorola) that, in theearly 60s, played 45rpms! It was available as an add-on and hungunder the dash (like everything else in those days). The disc fit in afront slot and, like a juke box tone arm, the heavy large arm and naillike stylus created such a tracking force onto the record that therecord did not last very well but the heavy tracking helped over thebumps. After the record played, it spit out the slot approximately half way,only to find a place on the seat or dash, or back window where, in thesunshine, the 45s and labels bent and melted into a mess. Leaving iton your back window was cool- just as displaying your boss stereo logois today. Showed the less fortunate that you were hip.Later on an addition, such as a spring reverb (adjustable bytightening and loosening the spring)(also by Lear, if I remembercorrectly), would add to the fidelity of the record player and AMradio, only to be replaced by a Muntz 8track amongst others. RECORD PLAYERS : As for the area to post this issue, it should be pointed out thatthese experimental failures helped to sell the 60s recordings,especially since so many were ruined. :-)PS Phil Spector and his wall of sound had nothing on a spring reverbthat was shaken by driving over a bump such as a railroad track.And here I thought that I was the only one (alive) that could remember(I mean heard of) the little record player that tried.On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:28:47 GMT, in rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s, (Westcoast Surfer), wrote:As far as I know, Motorola "did not" make any of these 45 rpm car recordplayers. The most popular ones that I knew of, and I had 4 of them in mylifetime during the mid 60s was the Philips/Norelco (notice how I spelledPhilips correctly this time?) The cartridge tracked at 4 grams to keep from skipping, and I ruined lots, ofnice records. The usual end result after playing the same record several times,was the famous jukebox white groove effect. The record might not have beenscratched, but the grooves got very white from so much wear. RECORD PLAYERS : Does anybody know how the record players without counter balances aremade and if they are a viable option? It seems that those built recentlyonly have a counter balance if they are the very top end player. thanks, Chris Ware From: ()Subject: Re: record players Newsgroups: Date: 1999/01/28 wrote:Well, most folks call that thing with a big flat platter that spins a record a "turntable" these days. "Record players" as they were sold in the 50s and 60s were typically a box that had a lid on it which had a turntable, amplifier, one or more speakers, and a bunch of dials and levers.This later morphed into a big piece of living room furniture that alsoincluded an AM/FM stereo tuner commonly called a "home entertainment center."My experience with "record players" goes back to my childhood in the 50swith the one our family had. But as 45s and 33s replaced 78s, and stereocame in and replaced mono, and the grooves in LPs got narrower and less tracking weight was needed, along with a much finer stylus that wouldn't dig the hell out of the grooves as it played, the turntable as a separate component evolved as a home appliance, having no amplifier or speaker itself, and having to be connected to other home equipment in order to do anything useful.
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